Dan Abrams (00:00):
Joining me now, Adam Klasfeld, lawn crimes managing editor, who's been at the courthouse throughout this trial. Katie Smith, a civil attorney who worked for the special federal litigation division for the City of New York and Christie Greenberg, she served as deputy chief of the criminal division at the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York. She was actually in the courtroom for Eugene. Alright, so lemme start with you then, Christie, because you were there for a good amount of the cross-examination. Are you at all surprised that there was a unanimous verdict here? Because that was the only question I think for a lot of people is are they going to be able to get a unanimous verdict?

Christie Greenberg (00:39):
I wasn't surprised. I expected that they would return a verdict of liability. She was consistent throughout about the core allegations of what she says happened as she's consistent in her deposition, in her book and at trial, and she was corroborated. She had two witnesses in order to believe Donald Trump. You had to believe that not only was Eugene Caroline, but that these two other respected journalists, friends of hers also came in and lied and they frankly, in the courtroom didn't seem like they really wanted to be there. They came across as very truthful and their personal text messages as well seemed to suggest again that they were not anxious to be in the

Dan Abrams (01:24):
Courtroom. Lemme ask you, Katie, what do you make of the fact that they didn't find him responsible for rape but did find him responsible for sexual abuse?

Katherine Smith (01:34):
Right. That's puzzling because if you buy her version of the events completely, then you buy that there was rape. So it's either a compromise or there was a lack of corroborating information that they were troubled about that allegation and a lack of proof.

Dan Abrams (01:48):
And I think that's where it came down. I think the bottom line is on that issue, they said, what do we have corroborating evidence on? We have corroboration for her characterization of what she told Lisa Bernbach and Carol Martin and on that maybe there were questions about rape versus sexual abuse. But someone asked me, do you think that this is in any way a setback for her? And I said, what difference does it make, whether they're calling it rape or sexual abuse? I mean, I'm not suggesting that it's the same thing as a legal matter, but as a practical matter, she wins the case.

Christie Greenberg (02:21):
Right? They found that he was liable of sexual abuse. That's a huge thing. This is a former president at the United States who they are finding committed a sexual assault. I mean that is huge. And in terms of why it wasn't rape, Tacopinaina made a lot of comments about just the logistics and using your common sense, could this rape have happened in three minutes with them both fully clothed and maybe the jury found no, that wasn't actually possible, but that something did happen. And so like Kate said, it was a compromise.

Dan Abrams (02:55):
Adam Klasfeld, you were in court, but you also wrote a whole article Donald Trump's post this morning, which I think was very interesting because he chose not to testify in this case, but he said on truth social this morning the followings number six, waiting for a jury decision on a false accusation were I despite being a current political candidate and leading all others in both parties and not allowed to speak or defend myself, even as hard-nosed reporters scream questions about the case in me. In the meantime, the other side has a book falsely accusing me of rape, is working with the press. I will therefore not speak until after the trial, but will appeal the unconstitutional silencing of me as a candidate no matter the outcome. Just to be clear, Donald Trump was offered multiple opportunities to testify, correct?

Adam Klasfeld (03:42):
That is absolutely correct. Multiple opportunities to testify. As a matter of fact, even after his attorney, Joe Tacopina formally closed and rested his case, the judge gave Mr.Tacopinana another chance to request reopening the case for the purposes of allowing his client to testify because the former president at the time told reporters from Ireland that he was going to go home and confront Eugene Carroll. Of course that didn't happen because Mr. Trump again declined to testify after that statement.

Dan Abrams (04:18):
I want to play this is from Donald Trump's deposition because I do think that the deposition ended up being a critical piece of evidence and it's not just what he said, it was how he said it. There was a level of frustration looking if you are saying you're falsely accused, being frustrated is one thing, but this was probably the moment that tripped him up the most, which is a picture which showed that Eugene Carroll had met Donald Trump even though he had insisted they hadn't met before. That's the picture. Donald Trump was looking at this picture and as he's looking at it, he mistakes the woman on the left, who is Eugene Carroll for his ex-wife, Marla Maples, number 15.

Donald Trump (05:01):
I don't know who it's Marla. You say Marla's in this photo. That's Marla. Yeah, that's my wife. Which woman are you pointing? Thank you

Dan Abrams (05:12):
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